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Married Messiah

Post by Hill Cumorah CC on Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:12 pm

As I sat pondering today I wondered why people get so offended and can't believe that Jesus Christ was ever married. It made me want to ask, so...

1) What is so bad about the idea of Jesus Christ being married?

2) How does Him being married it in any way diminish his role as the Savior and Redeemer of the world?


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Re: Married Messiah

Post by faazshift on Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:24 pm

Hill Cumorah CC wrote:As I sat pondering today I wondered why people get so offended and can't believe that Jesus Christ was ever married. It made me want to ask, so...

1) What is so bad about the idea of Jesus Christ being married?

2) How does Him being married it in any way diminish his role as the Savior and Redeemer of the world?

I personally don't see it as bad at all. Even though we don't have scriptural records explicitly stating such, I see it as a perfectly logical conclusion (especially as eternal marriage is a commandment). If anything, I would think it enriches his role as Savior.

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Post by Hill Cumorah CC on Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:10 pm

The scriptures say He was tempted in all things, how could He be tempted by adultery if He was never married?


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Post by Matthew on Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:41 pm

I've never seen how him being married causes any problems with his role as savior after all if he was married then he still remained sinless. It would also be a greater example of his ability to avoid the power of Satan's temptations

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Post by simmmo on Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:28 am

Hill Cumorah CC wrote:The scriptures say He was tempted in all things, how could He be tempted by adultery if He was never married?


ummm aldultery doesn't necessarily mean that person is married. If i am not married, but have an affair with a married woman, then I have comitted adultery.... So your logic is faulty.

Now on the subject of Christ being married: Scripture has no record whatsoever of Him being married ever.

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Post by faazshift on Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:30 am

simmmo wrote:ummm aldultery doesn't necessarily mean that person is married. If i am not married, but have an affair with a married woman, then I have comitted adultery.... So your logic is faulty.

Now on the subject of Christ being married: Scripture has no record whatsoever of Him being married ever.

Agreed...
Matt 5 wrote:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


But I still speculatively believe that he was married.

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Post by simmmo on Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:09 am

faazshift wrote:
simmmo wrote:ummm aldultery doesn't necessarily mean that person is married. If i am not married, but have an affair with a married woman, then I have comitted adultery.... So your logic is faulty.

Now on the subject of Christ being married: Scripture has no record whatsoever of Him being married ever.

Agreed...
Matt 5 wrote:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


But I still speculatively believe that he was married.


There is no reason to believe that he was married. None of the Gospels record it.

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Post by Joseph on Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:12 am

simmmo wrote:There is no reason to believe that he was married. None of the Gospels record it.


The Gospels were written several decades later. Perhaps by that point, Christ's marriage no longer had a place in Christian history.

Complete speculation, of course.

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Post by simmmo on Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:36 am

Joseph wrote:
simmmo wrote:There is no reason to believe that he was married. None of the Gospels record it.


The Gospels were written several decades later. Perhaps by that point, Christ's marriage no longer had a place in Christian history.

Complete speculation, of course.


the Gospels record Jesus' relations with His mother, father, brothers, friends, disciples.... but not His wife or wives? as was taught by some Mormon prophets.

I can speculate that Christ needed to go the toilet whilst he was on earth. That is a reasonable speculation even tho it is not recorded in the Gospels. But to speculate that He had a wife is not a reasonable speculation.

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Post by Joseph on Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:49 am

simmmo wrote:I can speculate that Christ needed to go the toilet whilst he was on earth. That is a reasonable speculation even tho it is not recorded in the Gospels. But to speculate that He had a wife is not a reasonable speculation.


Since there were early traditions that Christ did have a relationship with Mary Magdalene, it seems reasonable to me.

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Post by faazshift on Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:58 am

simmmo wrote:But to speculate that He had a wife is not a reasonable speculation.

Do you think that just because most male figures in the scriptures never mentioned their wives, they must not have had wives(even when they made mention of children)?

I believe that they don't mention their wives out of respect for them. After all, would you want the world to make mockery of your own wife's name? Just because it isn't mentioned, doesn't mean it isn't so. Christ (of all people) would want to respect someone he holds so beloved.

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Post by simmmo on Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:02 am

faazshift wrote:
simmmo wrote:But to speculate that He had a wife is not a reasonable speculation.

Do you think that just because most male figures in the scriptures never mentioned their wives, they must not have had wives(even when they made mention of children)?

I believe that they don't mention their wives out of respect for them. After all, would you want the world to make mockery of your own wife's name? Just because it isn't mentioned, doesn't mean it isn't so. Christ (of all people) would want to respect someone he holds so beloved.


There are no mention of His children either. No wife mentioned, no kids mentioned = no marriage

Christs' mission on earth was clear. He travelled much and preached everywhere He went. Being married was not part of this.

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Post by simmmo on Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:06 am

Joseph wrote:
simmmo wrote:I can speculate that Christ needed to go the toilet whilst he was on earth. That is a reasonable speculation even tho it is not recorded in the Gospels. But to speculate that He had a wife is not a reasonable speculation.


Since there were early traditions that Christ did have a relationship with Mary Magdalene, it seems reasonable to me.


And these traditions are completely unfounded and unbiblical.

The scriptures record no such relationship with Mary Magdalene.

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Post by faazshift on Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:09 am

simmmo wrote:Christs' mission on earth was clear. He travelled much and preached everywhere He went. Being married was not part of this.

Well, my speculation comes from our doctrine that eternal marriage is essential to exaltation. Just because he he traveled a lot and taught the gospel, doesn't mean he wasn't married. Just because the bible doesn't say something doesn't mean its not so. After all, if the bible contained everything, it would be massive, and few would read it.

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Post by simmmo on Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:17 am

faazshift wrote:
simmmo wrote:Christs' mission on earth was clear. He travelled much and preached everywhere He went. Being married was not part of this.

Well, my speculation comes from our doctrine that eternal marriage is essential to exaltation. Just because he he traveled a lot and taught the gospel, doesn't mean he wasn't married. Just because the bible doesn't say something doesn't mean its not so. After all, if the bible contained everything, it would be massive, and few would read it.


That's cool... i get that.

Another question: When does speculation become doctrine? for instance some LDS prophets have taught that Jesus was married. And it is my understanding that LDS prophets speak authoritatively and constitute and continuing canon (from testimony of Elder Holland). Does this mean that the doctrine of Jesus being married is canon - or is at least taught by the church?
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